Monday, March 03, 2008

Rush Limbaugh Encourages Voter Fraud

Today on his radio show right ring blow hard Rush Limbaugh encouraged Republicans in Texas and Ohio to ask for Democratic Ballots and vote for Hillary. He said he wanted to keep the fight going and Bloody up Obama. Major problem though. This would be election fraud in Ohio.

Ohio’s Primary is not a true open primary. If a voter has a history of voting Republican in primaries, by law they must have a desire to be affiliated with and supports the principles of the political party whose ballot the person desires to vote. If they do so for any other reason they are committing “election falsification."

Since voter fraud isn't new to republicans, I encourage observers at the polls to challenge ever voter that switches from Republican to Democrat. So that criminal action can be taken against those following Rush’s orders.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

y is this not more newsworthy? on one of the austin talk radio stations there were guys calling in that had done this laughing at how dirty they felt voting for hillary so the republicans would win later (admitting that they were cheating) and also talking about how in heavily republican precincts that they were running out of dem ballots...another republican who spoke against this even said that he had gotten in a few hours after it starteted and he was told he was the first to get a republican ballot

8:26 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, it obviously happened.

Now what can be done about it?

5:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The article linked above from the Cleveland Plain Dealer show where Republican voters - under Limbaugh's instructions - willfully violated Ohio law by falsifying the oath formm required when switching parties on election day.

A number of things should happen. Those identified should be prosecuted by the State of Ohio. Rush Limbaugh should be brought up on charges for conspiracy to commit. AND the FCC should heavily fine the stations that carry Limbaugh for allowing him to advocate and insite illegalactivities AND Limbaugh should be forced out - after all what he did is far more egregious an act than that by Imus.

Problem is you all have to put the pressure on: The State of Ohio, The FCC, the individual stations & the sponsors. Call, write - show up and make noise everywhere.

1:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are the principles of the Democratic party listed on the pledge form?

I think it would be impossible to convict someone of not agreeing with the "principles" of the Democratic party. If this avenue were opened up then certain elected and sitting Democrats might also be charged with not adhering to party principles and thereby guilty of election fraud.

This will not be pursued.

12:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can vote in any primary, I can choose to vote for anyone I want, I can choose to vote for someone regardless of my political affiliation. Any attempt to stop me is in violation of us federal law

US code

No person, whether acting under color of law or otherwise,
shall intimidate, threaten, coerce, or attempt to intimidate, threaten, or
coerce any other person for the purpose of interfering with the right of such
other person to vote or to vote as he may choose, or of causing such other
person to vote for, or not to vote for, any candidate for the office of
President, Vice President, presidential elector, Member of the Senate, or
Member of the House of Representatives, Delegates or Commissioners from the
Territories or possessions, at any general, special, or primary election held solely or in part for the purpose of
selecting or electing any such candidate.

9:08 PM  
Blogger Joe R said...

The consitution gives the states the power to hold elections.

Some states have open primaries others do not. The purpose of a primary is for the people of each political party to choose their candidate for the general election.

In Ohio it is not an open primary. The law specifically states that anyone who changes party to vote in such a primary can be challenged and if challenged must sign a statement that says they agree with the principles of that party.

The law also specifically states changing parties to vote for any other reason is in fact voter fraud a criminal offense.

9:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

federal law preempts state law, constructional law is the highest law of the land

to have a right take away this implies that it is inherent in the first palce

Amendment 14
Section 2

But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.

11:27 PM  
Blogger Joe R said...

Quite clearly your interpretation fo the law is flawed. Some states have closed primaries period Pennsylvania for example.

Other states primaries are open and Ohio's is somewhat in between.

12:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you may wish to read up on this section of US code… if the attorney general attempts in any way to disenfranchise these votes you will see a federal lawsuit regarding this and if it make it to the supreme court they will rule in broad favor of the voters who are changeling the attorney general
Voting rights

(1) All citizens of the United States who are otherwise qualified by law to vote at any election by the people in any State, Territory, district, county, city, parish, township, school district, municipality, or other territorial subdivision, shall be entitled and allowed to vote at all such elections, without distinction of race, color, or previous condition of servitude; any constitution, law, custom, usage, or regulation of any State or Territory, or by or under its authority, to the contrary notwithstanding.

12:38 AM  
Blogger Larry B. said...

Well, is it now down to loyalty oaths? The last times this happened was during the reign of the Nazis and the Communists in the USSR.

What a bunch of garbage. This oath "law" of Ohio has never been challenged in court. I would love to see that happen. Upheld, that would mean that the State would have the right to investigate any person that they suspected of not being really loyal. The investigations would allow wiretapping, mail investigations, etc. to find the perpetrators of illegal loyalty oaths.

Do you really think this could happen? Answer requested please.

BTW, wasn't the crossover voting encouraged by the dems illegal as well, or is it just the loyalty oath that is sticking in your craw?

Larry B.

1:34 PM  
Blogger Joe R said...

It is not a "loyalty oath" as Rush has fed into the feeble brains of those that drink his kool-aid.

A primary by law is for people to nominate THEIR parties nominee. Not to manipulate the other parties.

The statement is simply to swear that you have in fact chosen to be a member of that party.

As far as "this won't hold up in court" nonsense, it has been the law for decades. But the real answer to that question will hopefully soon be found out by some of the Rush listeners who were un-american enough to actually commit voter fraud and attempt to defile an election the very foundation our country stands on.

1:55 PM  
Blogger Larry B. said...

What has been the law for decades? How parties choose their candidates? Sorry, that is totally up to the parties, it has nothing to do with law or the constitution. How primaries are run, how candidates are chosen through those primaries, cauci, smoke filled rooms, super whatever...all a political thing run by private parties.

You can even stuff the ballot box anyway you can, by bussing in people from other states, as has happened before.

Since this is not a law, there will be no lawsuits anyway.

If you want to talk about defilation, look in your own house first.

6:48 PM  
Blogger Joe R said...

No its the law.

3513.20 Effect of challenge to voter at primary.
Before any challenged person shall be allowed to vote at a primary election , the person shall make a statement, under penalty of election falsification, before one of the precinct officials, blanks for which shall be furnished by the board of elections, giving name, age, residence, length of residence in the precinct, county, and state; stating that the person desires to be affiliated with and supports the principles of the political party whose ballot the person desires to vote; and giving all other facts necessary to determine whether the person is entitled to vote in that primary election. The statement shall be returned to the office of the board with the pollbooks and tally sheets.

If a person challenged refuses to make that statement under penalty of election falsification, the person shall be permitted to vote a provisional ballot under section 3505.181 of the Revised Code. If a majority of the precinct officials finds that the statements of a person challenged or the person’s voting record or other evidence shows that the person lacks any of the qualifications required to make the person a qualified elector at the primary election or that the person is not affiliated with or is not a member of the political party whose ballot the person desires to vote, the person shall be permitted to vote a provisional ballot under section 3505.181 of the Revised Code.

Effective Date: 10-20-1981; 05-02-2006

Rushism's fall to facts every time.

7:05 PM  
Blogger Larry B. said...

Sorry again.

That is an Ohio thing. Just as we used to have "laws" dealing with poll taxes, literacy laws, all intended to do something about the electorate. All of these have been found unconstitutional.

AND, listen carefully, Joe: this is about PRIMARIES. Parties can do whatevery they want, and if they have "laws" or rules that are not challenged, they become fearful barriers. When they are challenged, they fail. This one will never be challenged because it will be found unenforcable.

Give me all the numbers, it means nothing until a "perpetrator" is charged, challenges the "law".

It will NEVER be challenged, and crossover voting will continue as long as political parties find it to their advantage to help nominate a candidate they consider to be weak.

This has been happening ever since there have been primaries. What is amazing is that some feudal states have enacted statutes that supposedly eliminate these "illegal" votes. None of these has ever been enforced anywhere. Period.

Forget about it and get on to a subject that has some rational to it.

7:14 PM  

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